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	<title>Comments on: Why We Do Use CSC Codes</title>
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		<title>By: promosyon şapka</title>
		<link>http://blog.dreamhost.com/2006/04/06/why-we-do-use-csc-codes/comment-page-1/#comment-95881</link>
		<dc:creator>promosyon şapka</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 09:39:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I’m not at all surprised that McGinty is associated with this story.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I’m not at all surprised that McGinty is associated with this story.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://blog.dreamhost.com/2006/04/06/why-we-do-use-csc-codes/comment-page-1/#comment-3885</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Apr 2006 14:17:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shouldn&#039;t &quot;Steve&quot; or Discover be excited instead of angry/hurt/confused?  Because when he sees the Dreamhost charge/refund, he knows that _his card number was stolen_ !!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shouldn&#8217;t &#8220;Steve&#8221; or Discover be excited instead of angry/hurt/confused?  Because when he sees the Dreamhost charge/refund, he knows that _his card number was stolen_ !!</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://blog.dreamhost.com/2006/04/06/why-we-do-use-csc-codes/comment-page-1/#comment-3884</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Apr 2006 13:43:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I stopped accepting discover after two months. First two months my webstore was up, I got about 25% chargeback on discover cards. The only sane thing to do after that was to stop. While on average, the rest were about 1% ;/

Of all the purchases I end up having to charge back because the purchase seems shady. Like some random guy in washington, connecting to the webpage using a russian IP, using a credit card from kansas... Even taking those into consideration, the amount of chargebacks I do myself and the credit card company screams at me to do, doesn&#039;t even get close to how many are done with discover.

I think discovery should take a look at their own practices, and security. Maybe even teach each of their customers not to use their credit card info except when making a purchase on a secure website.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I stopped accepting discover after two months. First two months my webstore was up, I got about 25% chargeback on discover cards. The only sane thing to do after that was to stop. While on average, the rest were about 1% ;/</p>
<p>Of all the purchases I end up having to charge back because the purchase seems shady. Like some random guy in washington, connecting to the webpage using a russian IP, using a credit card from kansas&#8230; Even taking those into consideration, the amount of chargebacks I do myself and the credit card company screams at me to do, doesn&#8217;t even get close to how many are done with discover.</p>
<p>I think discovery should take a look at their own practices, and security. Maybe even teach each of their customers not to use their credit card info except when making a purchase on a secure website.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://blog.dreamhost.com/2006/04/06/why-we-do-use-csc-codes/comment-page-1/#comment-3879</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Apr 2006 03:48:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not at all surprised that McGinty is associated with this story.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not at all surprised that McGinty is associated with this story.</p>
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		<title>By: YouShan</title>
		<link>http://blog.dreamhost.com/2006/04/06/why-we-do-use-csc-codes/comment-page-1/#comment-3843</link>
		<dc:creator>YouShan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Apr 2006 02:06:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>that&#039;s why i use their secure online account numbers
random generated numbers that works and protects your real credit card number

i dont get it.. if someone stole a card... wouldn&#039;t they have the CSC code too?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>that&#8217;s why i use their secure online account numbers<br />
random generated numbers that works and protects your real credit card number</p>
<p>i dont get it.. if someone stole a card&#8230; wouldn&#8217;t they have the CSC code too?</p>
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		<title>By: beej</title>
		<link>http://blog.dreamhost.com/2006/04/06/why-we-do-use-csc-codes/comment-page-1/#comment-3825</link>
		<dc:creator>beej</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Apr 2006 08:26:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This was like, the ONLY useful post I&#039;ve ever read on your blog.  Ever.  Usually, um.  It sucks.

Thanks for not disappointing me 100%.  Just 99.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This was like, the ONLY useful post I&#8217;ve ever read on your blog.  Ever.  Usually, um.  It sucks.</p>
<p>Thanks for not disappointing me 100%.  Just 99.</p>
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		<title>By: itomaki</title>
		<link>http://blog.dreamhost.com/2006/04/06/why-we-do-use-csc-codes/comment-page-1/#comment-3824</link>
		<dc:creator>itomaki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Apr 2006 08:06:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was told by you CSC which Dreamhost requres is not MasterCard&#039;s SecureCode,
Thank you.
I mistook these two.
I get &quot;Card Secure Code&quot;(CSC) is not MasterCard&#039;s &quot;SecureCode(TM)&quot;.

Then, how much secure when Dreamhost stores the CSC code?

I enter my MasterCard&#039;s number without &quot;CSC&quot; at &quot;Automatic Credit Card Rebill Settings&quot;
and I get Error.
&gt; Failure! Please correct the errors below.
&gt; INVALID: CSC must be a 3 or 4 digit number.
so,I am afraid that Dreamhost STORE my CSC code.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was told by you CSC which Dreamhost requres is not MasterCard&#8217;s SecureCode,<br />
Thank you.<br />
I mistook these two.<br />
I get &#8220;Card Secure Code&#8221;(CSC) is not MasterCard&#8217;s &#8220;SecureCode(TM)&#8221;.</p>
<p>Then, how much secure when Dreamhost stores the CSC code?</p>
<p>I enter my MasterCard&#8217;s number without &#8220;CSC&#8221; at &#8220;Automatic Credit Card Rebill Settings&#8221;<br />
and I get Error.<br />
&gt; Failure! Please correct the errors below.<br />
&gt; INVALID: CSC must be a 3 or 4 digit number.<br />
so,I am afraid that Dreamhost STORE my CSC code.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://blog.dreamhost.com/2006/04/06/why-we-do-use-csc-codes/comment-page-1/#comment-3817</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Apr 2006 19:36:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>itomaki (post #11): I can&#039;t tell if you think CSC codes and MasterCard&#039;s SecureCode are the same thing, or if you just want DreamHost to start participating in MasterCard&#039;s SecureCode program.

To clarify, CSC codes are not the same as MasterCard&#039;s SecureCode.  DreamHost can (and probably should) check the CSC codes, they just can&#039;t store them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>itomaki (post #11): I can&#8217;t tell if you think CSC codes and MasterCard&#8217;s SecureCode are the same thing, or if you just want DreamHost to start participating in MasterCard&#8217;s SecureCode program.</p>
<p>To clarify, CSC codes are not the same as MasterCard&#8217;s SecureCode.  DreamHost can (and probably should) check the CSC codes, they just can&#8217;t store them.</p>
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		<title>By: elliot</title>
		<link>http://blog.dreamhost.com/2006/04/06/why-we-do-use-csc-codes/comment-page-1/#comment-3802</link>
		<dc:creator>elliot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Apr 2006 19:41:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>now without the html...

&quot;dealing with his urgent SECURTITY RELAT3D EMAILs from paypal, ebay, amazon, bofa, wamu, citibank, and Nigeria.&quot;

Hey hey hey!  Come on now!  Nigeria may be a 2nd or even 3rd world country, and sure there may be a lot of fraud that originates from Nigeria, but that&#039;s unfair and slanderous to list it in the company of those other entities.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>now without the html&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;dealing with his urgent SECURTITY RELAT3D EMAILs from paypal, ebay, amazon, bofa, wamu, citibank, and Nigeria.&#8221;</p>
<p>Hey hey hey!  Come on now!  Nigeria may be a 2nd or even 3rd world country, and sure there may be a lot of fraud that originates from Nigeria, but that&#8217;s unfair and slanderous to list it in the company of those other entities.</p>
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		<title>By: Kelly</title>
		<link>http://blog.dreamhost.com/2006/04/06/why-we-do-use-csc-codes/comment-page-1/#comment-3801</link>
		<dc:creator>Kelly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Apr 2006 19:41:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I still don&#039;t get why the cc companies haven&#039;t just started putting smartcards/SIM&#039;s on all of their cards. They could then distribute readers with mac, windows, and API documentation for Linux and everyone else. It would be a huge up front investment but it would basically turn online fraud into a non-issue, as it would require them to physically posses the card.

American Express seemed to start in on this with their Blue credit card line, but their regular charge cards still don&#039;t have them. It would also require browser upgrades across the board, and merchant integration, but had they started in on this a few years ago it could have been integrated by now into most people&#039;s browsers. Either way, for all the stink thats made over SSL certificates I would think they would have something worked out by now. Send a token, sign it against the key on the card, and send it back. &quot;Easier said than done.&quot; I know, but it seems like the cost to implement it could have been overcome by now in the costs dealing with fraud.

Heck they could encourage merchants to accept/require it during the startup period by giving them a break on processing fees for a year or something for each transaction signed by a smartcard.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I still don&#8217;t get why the cc companies haven&#8217;t just started putting smartcards/SIM&#8217;s on all of their cards. They could then distribute readers with mac, windows, and API documentation for Linux and everyone else. It would be a huge up front investment but it would basically turn online fraud into a non-issue, as it would require them to physically posses the card.</p>
<p>American Express seemed to start in on this with their Blue credit card line, but their regular charge cards still don&#8217;t have them. It would also require browser upgrades across the board, and merchant integration, but had they started in on this a few years ago it could have been integrated by now into most people&#8217;s browsers. Either way, for all the stink thats made over SSL certificates I would think they would have something worked out by now. Send a token, sign it against the key on the card, and send it back. &#8220;Easier said than done.&#8221; I know, but it seems like the cost to implement it could have been overcome by now in the costs dealing with fraud.</p>
<p>Heck they could encourage merchants to accept/require it during the startup period by giving them a break on processing fees for a year or something for each transaction signed by a smartcard.</p>
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