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		<title>By: Hamish Robertson</title>
		<link>http://blog.dreamhost.com/2006/03/03/avis-bandwidth-rental/comment-page-1/#comment-5787</link>
		<dc:creator>Hamish Robertson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Jun 2006 11:27:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey,

Here in the UK (and the rest of Europe I think) when you rent a car you own all the petrol in the tank. When you leave the kiosk at the rental place they tell you to bring it back _empty_ because you own the petrol inside. This is even Avis&#039; policy over here too.

I don&#039;t get what the Jaques Chester guy is saying, all of the rental places over here have their own petrol-filling-up facilties so they don&#039;t have to take the car anywhere. Furthermore, all European rental cars have to be safety checked each time they are returned and most rental companies also valet them - so it isn&#039;t the simple case of the car being returned then instantly rented out again.

Also, I agree with Peter - we definitely need a Europe datacentre! From my house, a ping to Dreamhost is about 1070ms.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey,</p>
<p>Here in the UK (and the rest of Europe I think) when you rent a car you own all the petrol in the tank. When you leave the kiosk at the rental place they tell you to bring it back _empty_ because you own the petrol inside. This is even Avis&#8217; policy over here too.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t get what the Jaques Chester guy is saying, all of the rental places over here have their own petrol-filling-up facilties so they don&#8217;t have to take the car anywhere. Furthermore, all European rental cars have to be safety checked each time they are returned and most rental companies also valet them &#8211; so it isn&#8217;t the simple case of the car being returned then instantly rented out again.</p>
<p>Also, I agree with Peter &#8211; we definitely need a Europe datacentre! From my house, a ping to Dreamhost is about 1070ms.</p>
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		<title>By: Jacques Chester</title>
		<link>http://blog.dreamhost.com/2006/03/03/avis-bandwidth-rental/comment-page-1/#comment-3361</link>
		<dc:creator>Jacques Chester</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Mar 2006 01:52:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I used to work for a hire car company. The reason that you are charged extra for returning a less-than-full tank is to discourage you from doing it.

Think about it: the rental company makes more money when someone is using the car. Every day, every hour and every minute when the car is not on rental is a dead loss to the firm.

So if you can get a car back, clean it and turn it out in an hour, you&#039;ll make more money in the busy season than otherwise possible.

When someone brings back a car with less than full fuel, the car has to be refueled. This means that someone, somewhere, has to drop what they&#039;re doing to refuel the car. This could be front counter staff, it could be the detailers. It doesn&#039;t matter, because the upshot is that A, that car may turn up late and piss off some other customer, and B, work on all other customers &amp; cars is slowed down, possibly pissing off multiple customers.

So it&#039;s really about getting you to help out the next customer. It&#039;s also exactly why car companies charge like wounded bulls when you return the vehicle late.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I used to work for a hire car company. The reason that you are charged extra for returning a less-than-full tank is to discourage you from doing it.</p>
<p>Think about it: the rental company makes more money when someone is using the car. Every day, every hour and every minute when the car is not on rental is a dead loss to the firm.</p>
<p>So if you can get a car back, clean it and turn it out in an hour, you&#8217;ll make more money in the busy season than otherwise possible.</p>
<p>When someone brings back a car with less than full fuel, the car has to be refueled. This means that someone, somewhere, has to drop what they&#8217;re doing to refuel the car. This could be front counter staff, it could be the detailers. It doesn&#8217;t matter, because the upshot is that A, that car may turn up late and piss off some other customer, and B, work on all other customers &amp; cars is slowed down, possibly pissing off multiple customers.</p>
<p>So it&#8217;s really about getting you to help out the next customer. It&#8217;s also exactly why car companies charge like wounded bulls when you return the vehicle late.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric</title>
		<link>http://blog.dreamhost.com/2006/03/03/avis-bandwidth-rental/comment-page-1/#comment-3321</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Mar 2006 06:00:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dude, you should have rented a &lt;a href=&quot;http://search.blogger.com/?as_q=hawaii&amp;ui=blg&amp;bl_url=biodieselblog.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;biodiesel mobile&lt;/a&gt; in Hawaii!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dude, you should have rented a <a href="http://search.blogger.com/?as_q=hawaii&amp;ui=blg&amp;bl_url=biodieselblog.com" rel="nofollow">biodiesel mobile</a> in Hawaii!</p>
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		<title>By: Will</title>
		<link>http://blog.dreamhost.com/2006/03/03/avis-bandwidth-rental/comment-page-1/#comment-3319</link>
		<dc:creator>Will</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Mar 2006 02:26:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh goodie! Expensive Internap bandwidth :D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh goodie! Expensive Internap bandwidth :D</p>
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		<title>By: Josh Jones</title>
		<link>http://blog.dreamhost.com/2006/03/03/avis-bandwidth-rental/comment-page-1/#comment-3318</link>
		<dc:creator>Josh Jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Mar 2006 01:11:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That is correct Will, and the new provider will be Internap.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is correct Will, and the new provider will be Internap.</p>
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		<title>By: Will</title>
		<link>http://blog.dreamhost.com/2006/03/03/avis-bandwidth-rental/comment-page-1/#comment-3310</link>
		<dc:creator>Will</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Mar 2006 19:01:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Peter,

Their upstream providers are Level 3 Communications and Global Crossing. My current understanding is they have two gig uplinks for each provider.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Peter,</p>
<p>Their upstream providers are Level 3 Communications and Global Crossing. My current understanding is they have two gig uplinks for each provider.</p>
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		<title>By: Javier Albarracín</title>
		<link>http://blog.dreamhost.com/2006/03/03/avis-bandwidth-rental/comment-page-1/#comment-3309</link>
		<dc:creator>Javier Albarracín</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Mar 2006 14:56:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Specially when you travel with babies... you really don&#039;t have time to make the &quot;value offer maximizer point&quot;. We&#039;re happy to be in a hosting site that have real people behind. You drive...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Specially when you travel with babies&#8230; you really don&#8217;t have time to make the &#8220;value offer maximizer point&#8221;. We&#8217;re happy to be in a hosting site that have real people behind. You drive&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
		<link>http://blog.dreamhost.com/2006/03/03/avis-bandwidth-rental/comment-page-1/#comment-3308</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Mar 2006 10:31:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just hope they are a quality provider you are going with... not the cheapest low quality bandwidth around (Cogent anyone?)

Having said that, any problems I have are not due to bandwidth quality, rather to living 5350 miles from the data centre! (ping times are 175ms on a good day, 200ms+ on a bad day)

A European data centre with the same prices would be much appreciated ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just hope they are a quality provider you are going with&#8230; not the cheapest low quality bandwidth around (Cogent anyone?)</p>
<p>Having said that, any problems I have are not due to bandwidth quality, rather to living 5350 miles from the data centre! (ping times are 175ms on a good day, 200ms+ on a bad day)</p>
<p>A European data centre with the same prices would be much appreciated ;)</p>
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		<title>By: David:moua</title>
		<link>http://blog.dreamhost.com/2006/03/03/avis-bandwidth-rental/comment-page-1/#comment-3306</link>
		<dc:creator>David:moua</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Mar 2006 20:52:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DH use only one provider ?
What if this one fail ?

Is there redundancy ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DH use only one provider ?<br />
What if this one fail ?</p>
<p>Is there redundancy ?</p>
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		<title>By: Kelly</title>
		<link>http://blog.dreamhost.com/2006/03/03/avis-bandwidth-rental/comment-page-1/#comment-3298</link>
		<dc:creator>Kelly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Mar 2006 03:02:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To reply to John Bachir in a totally uncool way, they take your average metered usage for the month, more or less, and charge you at that rate. So if for 95% of the month you sit at right around 50mbps utilization on your line, they multiply 50*37 and bill you that, or you buy the whole thing up front for 26k/month. 

Last time I rented a car I did option 2, though I wish I had done option 1, thats the gamble though. Coming back I am honestly shocked it did not stall out going into the gas station to fill it up before returning it. Option 2 4 LIFE! (And the refill price was like $6.75/gal!) Like with anything on a car, optional things are 99% profit. ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To reply to John Bachir in a totally uncool way, they take your average metered usage for the month, more or less, and charge you at that rate. So if for 95% of the month you sit at right around 50mbps utilization on your line, they multiply 50*37 and bill you that, or you buy the whole thing up front for 26k/month. </p>
<p>Last time I rented a car I did option 2, though I wish I had done option 1, thats the gamble though. Coming back I am honestly shocked it did not stall out going into the gas station to fill it up before returning it. Option 2 4 LIFE! (And the refill price was like $6.75/gal!) Like with anything on a car, optional things are 99% profit. ;-)</p>
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