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	<title>Comments on: We want our SPAM Back!</title>
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		<title>By: sarah</title>
		<link>http://blog.dreamhost.com/2005/12/09/we-want-our-spam-back/comment-page-1/#comment-95794</link>
		<dc:creator>sarah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jun 2008 10:33:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am looking for spam as an art project.
SarahEdwards@caa.org.uk</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am looking for spam as an art project.<br />
<a href="mailto:SarahEdwards@caa.org.uk">SarahEdwards@caa.org.uk</a></p>
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		<title>By: Jurek</title>
		<link>http://blog.dreamhost.com/2005/12/09/we-want-our-spam-back/comment-page-1/#comment-2860</link>
		<dc:creator>Jurek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Feb 2006 16:31:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yahoo recently asked me to read some distorted letters and type them in a window BEFORE they would accept an email I tried to send. They told me that this was one of the means of preventing spam from being sent from their hosts. They don&#039;t do it frequently, but every so often.

I think that Dreamhost has to be proactive in that way. You have to implement ways to make sure that your clients are not spammers. Waiting for others to tell you that is kind of too late. It&#039;s a good check on your system, but it&#039;s only after the fact. 

PREVENT!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yahoo recently asked me to read some distorted letters and type them in a window BEFORE they would accept an email I tried to send. They told me that this was one of the means of preventing spam from being sent from their hosts. They don&#8217;t do it frequently, but every so often.</p>
<p>I think that Dreamhost has to be proactive in that way. You have to implement ways to make sure that your clients are not spammers. Waiting for others to tell you that is kind of too late. It&#8217;s a good check on your system, but it&#8217;s only after the fact. </p>
<p>PREVENT!</p>
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		<title>By: nekote</title>
		<link>http://blog.dreamhost.com/2005/12/09/we-want-our-spam-back/comment-page-1/#comment-2687</link>
		<dc:creator>nekote</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jan 2006 06:47:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wish there was a fuller discussion of how to assist / participate.

Razor is gone.
The new &quot;Junk&quot; email stuff seems to be this new anti-spam effort.

One think though, the new &quot;Junk&quot; email stuff is not permitted on accounts that have the &quot;catch-all&quot; ability / account enabled.

Because they catch &quot;lots&quot; of junk email.
Well.
Isn&#039;t that a *highly* useful category to have?
If only as a predictive / confirmatory indicator / telltale?

Further, what about deliberate &quot;HoneyPot&quot; domains?
Domains that have no purpose in life except to collect unsolicitied email?
Virtually all email they would receive, other than from their registrar / web email host?) would almost certainly be spam.
Similarly, &quot;HoneyPot&quot; email links posted on the web, deliberately placed / enabled for web-bot email harvesters to collect?

Shutting off IP addresses from the email world for 4 hours or so at a whack is going to be uncomfortable, most especially if there isn&#039;t some sort of &quot;spam hold&quot; type of status for users to become familiar with.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wish there was a fuller discussion of how to assist / participate.</p>
<p>Razor is gone.<br />
The new &#8220;Junk&#8221; email stuff seems to be this new anti-spam effort.</p>
<p>One think though, the new &#8220;Junk&#8221; email stuff is not permitted on accounts that have the &#8220;catch-all&#8221; ability / account enabled.</p>
<p>Because they catch &#8220;lots&#8221; of junk email.<br />
Well.<br />
Isn&#8217;t that a *highly* useful category to have?<br />
If only as a predictive / confirmatory indicator / telltale?</p>
<p>Further, what about deliberate &#8220;HoneyPot&#8221; domains?<br />
Domains that have no purpose in life except to collect unsolicitied email?<br />
Virtually all email they would receive, other than from their registrar / web email host?) would almost certainly be spam.<br />
Similarly, &#8220;HoneyPot&#8221; email links posted on the web, deliberately placed / enabled for web-bot email harvesters to collect?</p>
<p>Shutting off IP addresses from the email world for 4 hours or so at a whack is going to be uncomfortable, most especially if there isn&#8217;t some sort of &#8220;spam hold&#8221; type of status for users to become familiar with.</p>
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		<title>By: Fina</title>
		<link>http://blog.dreamhost.com/2005/12/09/we-want-our-spam-back/comment-page-1/#comment-2224</link>
		<dc:creator>Fina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Dec 2005 20:10:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>C it is new with you! Did not miss?
I adore to communicate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>C it is new with you! Did not miss?<br />
I adore to communicate.</p>
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		<title>By: Design</title>
		<link>http://blog.dreamhost.com/2005/12/09/we-want-our-spam-back/comment-page-1/#comment-2216</link>
		<dc:creator>Design</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Dec 2005 06:01:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thats is good and smart reason to ask for spam , in that case we all want the SPAM</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thats is good and smart reason to ask for spam , in that case we all want the SPAM</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen</title>
		<link>http://blog.dreamhost.com/2005/12/09/we-want-our-spam-back/comment-page-1/#comment-1936</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Dec 2005 04:29:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry about the link above. It&#039;s supposed to be last name @ gmail. com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry about the link above. It&#8217;s supposed to be last name @ gmail. com</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen</title>
		<link>http://blog.dreamhost.com/2005/12/09/we-want-our-spam-back/comment-page-1/#comment-1935</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Dec 2005 04:28:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Try Gmail - it&#039;s pretty good at fighting spam if you choose an email address that doesn&#039;t have an english word in it (ie. first initial+last name@gmail.com).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Try Gmail &#8211; it&#8217;s pretty good at fighting spam if you choose an email address that doesn&#8217;t have an english word in it (ie. first initial+last <a href="mailto:name@gmail.com">name@gmail.com</a>).</p>
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		<title>By: Silk</title>
		<link>http://blog.dreamhost.com/2005/12/09/we-want-our-spam-back/comment-page-1/#comment-1921</link>
		<dc:creator>Silk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Dec 2005 03:24:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What I would like to see is a database of all service providers email address for reporting spam/adward/spyware/viruses. This would allow us to send back the ip address of spam on web pages and the contents of those spamming emails. After all it is the service provider who has the real power of shutting these people down. They can terminate their accounts and/or notify the authorities which can result getting a warrant for the home address of these people.
Silk</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I would like to see is a database of all service providers email address for reporting spam/adward/spyware/viruses. This would allow us to send back the ip address of spam on web pages and the contents of those spamming emails. After all it is the service provider who has the real power of shutting these people down. They can terminate their accounts and/or notify the authorities which can result getting a warrant for the home address of these people.<br />
Silk</p>
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		<title>By: DesignerElla</title>
		<link>http://blog.dreamhost.com/2005/12/09/we-want-our-spam-back/comment-page-1/#comment-1887</link>
		<dc:creator>DesignerElla</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Dec 2005 20:55:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I actually hate AOL for their spam. I had to stop using AOL for most e-mails, and now I have a blocker on all but e-mails of people and companies I know. I am constantly fishing friends of friends, et cetera, out of the spam bin for this.

Now, you want good spam blocking, go to Gmail! If I happen to get a lot of spam, in a week or so, they&#039;ve figured out how to block it all and send it ALL to the spam folder. I rarely get spam. When I do, it&#039;s new and persistant, but like I said, gets completely blocked with time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I actually hate AOL for their spam. I had to stop using AOL for most e-mails, and now I have a blocker on all but e-mails of people and companies I know. I am constantly fishing friends of friends, et cetera, out of the spam bin for this.</p>
<p>Now, you want good spam blocking, go to Gmail! If I happen to get a lot of spam, in a week or so, they&#8217;ve figured out how to block it all and send it ALL to the spam folder. I rarely get spam. When I do, it&#8217;s new and persistant, but like I said, gets completely blocked with time.</p>
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		<title>By: Dallas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dallas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Dec 2005 18:22:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, I think I didn&#039;t get my thoughts across well.  I wasn&#039;t trying to end the conversation or downplay your input.  Sorry if I came off that way!  It seemed like there was maybe some confusion about incoming versus outgoing spam.  Maybe not!

There would definitely be technical hurdles to prevent issues like what you described.  The bigger hurdle would be actually convincing all of the big email providers to play nice together and go along with something like this, though.  But anyway, to try to reduce the potential for exploit you could do some sort of cross-checking on reported spam and only consider it spam if it&#039;s reported by more than one outside email provider and then only start blocking email once a specific spam is reported X number of times and that X could be separately adjusted for each provider reporting spam to balance out the reliability of their own systems.

It seems like most of the proposals I&#039;ve seen to reduce spam focus on reducing spam coming into a network and there doesn&#039;t seem to be all that much focus on network companies working together to reduce the spam at the source networks themselves.  I&#039;d like to see more companies take more responsibility for that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, I think I didn&#8217;t get my thoughts across well.  I wasn&#8217;t trying to end the conversation or downplay your input.  Sorry if I came off that way!  It seemed like there was maybe some confusion about incoming versus outgoing spam.  Maybe not!</p>
<p>There would definitely be technical hurdles to prevent issues like what you described.  The bigger hurdle would be actually convincing all of the big email providers to play nice together and go along with something like this, though.  But anyway, to try to reduce the potential for exploit you could do some sort of cross-checking on reported spam and only consider it spam if it&#8217;s reported by more than one outside email provider and then only start blocking email once a specific spam is reported X number of times and that X could be separately adjusted for each provider reporting spam to balance out the reliability of their own systems.</p>
<p>It seems like most of the proposals I&#8217;ve seen to reduce spam focus on reducing spam coming into a network and there doesn&#8217;t seem to be all that much focus on network companies working together to reduce the spam at the source networks themselves.  I&#8217;d like to see more companies take more responsibility for that.</p>
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